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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSPWS Minutes 1996-04-30SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 1 IN COUNCIL CHAMBER OF THE CITY OF SAN RAFAEL, THURSDAY, APRIL 30, 1996, AT 7:10 PM Special Workshop Meeting: Mayor San Rafael City Council Councilmember Data Processing Committee Councilmember Gary O. Phillips, Councilmember Also Present: Suzanne Golt, Acting City Manager Vaughn Stratford, Library Director Jeanne M. Leoncini, City Clerk Present: Albert J. Boro, Paul M. Cohen, Barbara Heller, 1.SPECIAL WORKSHOP - DATA PROCESSING - File 4-3-296 x 4-3-117 Acting City Manager Suzanne Golt explained Ed Reed of Wise Consulting Services would review the report and recommendations, noting several scenarios had been included, from the ideal through the rock bottom, basic recommendations. She also noted she had distributed a report prepared by herself and Fire Chief Marcucci, which included a summary of staff's recommendations which they felt were the bottom line recommendations if, in fact, the Wise Consulting recommendations were not implemented. Ms. Golt stated there would be no final recommendations or decisions made at this time, noting the end result would need to be considered during the budget process. Ed Reed, Principal with Wise Consulting Services, addressed the Council, stating much of his information had already been discussed in an earlier session, and noting he would cover the high spots and ask for questions of the Council. Referring to the section of the report entitled "Key Findings", Mr. Reed stated the City of San Rafael was currently paying BRC $400,000 per year to provide the majority of its Information Systems hardware, application software, computer operations, and other technical support. Mr. Reed stated it was the finding of Wise Consulting Services, including interviews with City staff, that everyone felt BRC was providing a reasonable service at a reasonable cost, and that they were doing exactly what the contract provided for. Mr. Reed stated if there is a problem, it is that the contract does not provide for BRC offering a total Citywide Information System solution, noting BRC was here specifically to address Public Safety Systems, Financial Systems, limited Parks and Recreation support, and whatever other support they might be able to fit within the staffing level provided to the City, but it was not their responsibility, nor obligation or commitment, to provide and meet all the City' s information and technology needs. Mr. Reed stated that because of the Facilities Management environment, and because the City does not have an Information Systems Manager spearheading its internal efforts, the City has little control over its Information System. He stated we do not have a complete, integrated Citywide service delivery solution, noting what we do have is a solution that works very well for certain departments, and not so well for a number of others. He stated Wise Consulting Services felt the City might be paying more for the services provided than necessary under other delivery options; however, he felt it was reasonable to expect that BRC, as a "For Profit" organization, was entitled to make a profit. Mr. Reed stated the recommendations included their suggestion that the City, over time, should transition from its current outsourcing arrangement to an inhouse managed Information Systems function, noting he was stressing the words "over time", because he does not believe the City is in a position to make that migration quickly, or without a lot of planning, forethought, staffing, budgeting, and transition. To help the transition and to take control of its future Information Systems, Mr. Reed stated it was recommended the City immediately move to hire an Information Systems Manager, reporting to the City Manager's Office, noting that would provide a needed element that has been missing, which is to have someone on the City's staff whose focus is information technology, and is concerned not just about public safety and finance, but about the needs of all the departments within the City. Mr. Reed stated they also recommended that the City should negotiate an extension of the current BRC contract, which provides for the following: first, phase the replacement of BRC staff with City staff over a period of five years. He noted there are currently three BRC people, and Wise Consulting Services is suggesting the City hire an Information Systems Manager, which would actually constitute a fourth person, so presumably, at the end three years, there would be four people. Mr. Reed stated it was SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 1 SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 2 reasonable to think that if three people are needed to manage Public Safety and Finance, more than three people are going to be needed to handle the entire City, and that is the basis for their recommendation. Mr. Reed stated the second recommendation was the transfer of ownership of the Data General Aviion UNIX Computers from BRC to the City within four years, stating the reality is that the hardware, at the end of the four-year period, will have little value to the City or BRC, except to run the applications that we already have. He stated resale or street value would be virtually negligible, but it would have value to the City if the City continues to run BRC's Financial and Public Safety applications, and it would provide for a platform and minimize the City's future operating costs. Mr. Reed stated Wise Consulting Services felt the proposal was fair to BRC, and that four years from today would actually be more than five years from the time the contract was signed and the time the equipment was purchased, and BRC would have easily recovered the cost of that equipment during the five-year time- frame. Mr. Reed noted that currently the contract provides that anytime the City ends the relationship with BRC, the hardware belongs to BRC. Mr. Reed noted the current BRC contract expires in September of this year, and while he acknowledged the Council was not going to make any decisions during this meeting, he pointed out that he felt it was getting to the point where time is of the essence, and this issue does need to be brought to closure so the City can start renegotiations if, in fact, the Council adopts the recommendations in the report. Mr. Reed stated the third recommendation was the transition of BRC from a facilities manager to a software and technical service supplier. He noted Wise Consulting Services is not saying that BRC is going to disappear, but that their role is going to change, and the City should take over control of its own future and destiny. He stated BRC could still be considered as a software supplier, and as a technical service supplier. Mr. Reed stated Wise Consulting Services has specifically recommended that negotiations be held, as part of the whole reprocurement process, to also have BRC design and install a Citywide communications network at an agreed upon fixed price. He pointed out the findings in the report should in no way be interpreted as a knock on BRC or the services they are providing, noting they are suggesting BRC continue to be used as a supplier of services to the City. Mayor Boro noted the chart referring to cost shows BRC being phased out after seven years, and asked what role Wise Consulting Services envisioned for BRC at the end of that timeframe? Mr. Reed stated the phase out is of the BRC staff, and the hardware and software cost, and he noted they are anticipating the replacement of Financial Payroll Systems and replacement of Police and Fire Records Systems. He stated if BRC is going to remain a future software and technical service supplier, those are the areas where they would expect them to step up and offer their proposal for new and improved software, and continue in their role as software supplier and provide technical support during installation, training and conversion; however, they would no longer be in the Facilities Manager role after the seven year period. Mayor Boro asked who would operate the hardware, and Mr. Reed stated the City's staff would operate the hardware, noting the hardware pretty much operates itself, with the exception of some back-up operations that need to be performed to back-up disk files, and the occasional operating system updates from the vendors. Councilmember Cohen stated presumably the report should include money allocated to BRC for the software and technical services, and noted this was not broken out as payments to BRC. He asked where the report shows the money to BRC for software and technical services? Mr. Reed stated it was shown in Item #27, Replacing Financial Payroll Systems, noting the total $360,000 includes providing for a software license fee, installation, training and conversion support, and an ongoing maintenance contract at $40,000 per year for BRC to provide enhancements, modifications, and technical support. He stated there was a similar function which calls for the upgrading of Police and Fire Department records and CAD Systems, noting this would have an upfront cost and an ongoing cost. Mr. Reed stated the Citywide Network addresses the upfront negotiations with BRC to provide the design and installation support of local area networks and wide area networks, with a $100,000 initial cost, and then an ongoing maintenance contract of $10,000 per year. Mr. Reed stated there were a number of projects under which BRC, if they were selected as the service or software supplier, would continue to earn revenues from the City that would off -set many of the revenues they would lose by no longer being in the Facilities Manager role. SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 2 SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 3 Councilmember Phillips noted Mr. Reed was recommending the City negotiate an extension with BRC, and asked if BRC had certain unique capabilities which the City must look to them to provide, or could the City go to bid? Mr. Reed stated he felt the City should go to bid, and noted the only item where Wise Consulting Services was suggesting a "sole source" award be made to BRC would be for the design and installation of the local area and wide area networks, which are the communications systems he has been discussing. He stated that when the City was ready to replace the Financial and Payroll Systems, or Police and Fire Department CAD and Records Systems, then Wise Consulting Services believed the City should go out for competitive bid. Mr. Reed stated it would be reasonable to expect that BRC would be a very competitive player, and their knowledge of the City should give them a competitive advantage, but noted this was not to say the City should not keep the practice open and honest, and as competitive as possible to get the best deal. Mr. Reed stated there was a transition downward, and there was still the opportunity for BRC to continue in the service supplier mode in the future, noting he had every reason to believe they are making the kinds of investments in application development that would allow them to be a legitimate contender in the future. Mr. Reed reported BRC was now in the process of completing the development of the Public Safety System, and they have made significant investments in Financial Systems in the past, noting we can expect they will do so again in the future. He acknowledged BRC has been in business for a very long time, and was a major player in California and throughout the Country. Acting City Manager Golt referred to the current contract's stipulation regarding ownership of the hardware, stating the hardware would, in fact, be the City's upon completion of five years, and noting the City was now two years into the five year contract. Ms. Golt stated she had learned BRC was already working on developing a proposal for the City's consideration relating to E -Mail and the Network, two of the key elements in the Wise Consultant Services recommendations, and also two key issues in terms of the Management Team. Ms. Golt acknowledged she does not have final figures from BRC at this point; however, they are developing a proposal for the City's consideration which would achieve those two things for what would probably be a significantly reduced cost over what was being projected in the Wise Consulting Services report. She stated it remains to be seen what the final figures will be, but at this point in time the Data Processing Committee is very optimistic that BRC will be able to come in with a recommendation that would probably be very worthwhile for the Council to consider in the budget process, and noted they will be coming back to Council with more information regarding these two issues. Councilmember Heller referred to the report's recommendation to direct staff to budget a minimum of $125,000 to implement the basic recommendations contained in the Wise Report, developed by the Management Team, for consideration as part of the Fiscal Year 96-97 budget, and asked if that would still be in the upcoming budget? Ms. Golt stated the staff report was now somewhat dated, and after conversations she had recently with BRC concerning E -Mail and the Network, the staff recommendation to the Council at this time should be to direct staff to continue reviewing the recommendations of the Wise Report, and to continue working with BRC. She noted at this point in time the $125,000, which had been staff's bottom line or worst case scenario, probably could still be reduced even further, and it was her recommendation that we pursue the E -Mail and the Networking with BRC and see what kind of a cost savings could be achieved for implementation during the upcoming budget year. Mayor Boro asked if staff still recommended the Council authorize staff to extend the existing contract with Wise Consulting Services to participate in the negotiation of the BRC contract? Ms. Golt stated she and Chief Marcucci, at this point in time, are not certain the City would want to entertain an extension of the agreement with Wise Consulting Services for negotiating the extension of the BRC contract, although this was not to say the City might entertain using Wise Consulting Services for future negotiations. She felt at this point staff, with BRC, needed to look at the E -Mail and Networking, and noted she would also like to get input from the Management Team members whether there was anything specific to the contract that we might want to talk about with BRC. She stated the issue of the hardware ownership was resolved, noting this would be worked into any proposed extension. Ms. Golt stated she would not be in a position to recommend an extension of the agreement, noting this may be something to be addressed in future years, but not at this point. Following-up on the recommendations in the original report, Councilmember Cohen asked if the budgeting of $125,000 to implement the basic recommendations SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 3 SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 4 contained in the Wise Report was changing as well? Ms. Golt stated this was also changing, noting this would be far in excess of what staff would be comfortable bringing back to the Council in the Budget Hearing process. She noted when she refers to staff input during the Budget Hearing, this would include input from all of the Management Team, and she and Chief Marcucci would continue to be the lead staff to come forward before the Council. She stated that if, in fact, the City could implement E-mail and the Network, that would probably be the maximum recommendation staff would be bringing to the Council for budget. Councilmember Heller stated she felt it would be important to include a discussion during the Budget Hearings regarding Citizen Complaint Tracking, noting she felt this was something the City really needed to work on, and one of the City' s departments needed to take on this issue. Charles Stuckey, Chairman of the Budget Oversight Committee (BOC), stated the Committee's first overview was that the City lacked a coordinated City view of its Data Processing situation. He noted this was the single unifying factor in the Committee's discussions, and was one of the most important things the City needed. Mr. Stuckey stated that currently, different departments are developing different things, and doing it independently of the City as a whole, and that is not conducive to the way Data Processing works. He noted he was glad to hear the concept of BRC extending their contract, stating this seemed to be the logical thing, but still leaves us with the question of what the City is going to do overall? Mr. Stuckey stated the City was faced with a plan that runs out ten years, and it was his personal feeling that planning anything regarding computers more than three years was amazing, because the reality was that if you can buy it on the market today, it would already be obsolete. Mr. Stuckey stated he would like to see some consideration given in the overall coordination of the City's Data Processing function to a knowledgeable individual who is on the City payroll, as this was something the City really did need. Ms. Golt agreed this was one of the key points staff would need to address, and then bring recommendations to the Council, noting she did not believe there would be any recommendation for in-house staff during this first year, but might very well have that recommendation come forward during the next year. In the meantime, something needed to be done to pull together a more cohesive Data Processing program, because once the City begins renegotiating the contract with BRC, this was one area where we would need to sit down and hammer out some changes, not cost changes, but in terms of a change in how we are operating, asking such questions as "What does BRC provide to the City in terms of services, and how can they provide a more consistent program operation for the City?". Ms. Golt stated she believed very strongly that this could be developed within the contract, noting this was one thing she and Chief Marcucci would be focusing on when they renegotiate a contract, assuming that is what happens. Mr. Reed stated one of the issues Wise Consulting Services had specifically talked about was renegotiating a contract in which Peg Yeates' responsibilities would be expanded to encompass the entire City, even though she would not necessarily be transferred to City staff. He noted that, obviously, this was something BRC was going to have to buy into, because she was on their payroll and working to further their interests to a certain extent; however, he felt if it could be negotiated where her role was expanded and she had a Citywide view, the City could begin that process prior to actually hiring an Information Systems Manager for the City. Mr. Reed stated one other concern was that when they recommended installing the Local Area Network, they also provided for the replacement of certain PC hardware. He stated it should be recognized that many of the PC's in place today will not function in a Network environment, and there will have to be some cost incurred, at some point, to upgrade some of the older PC's, noting he did not know if those costs were in staff's revised budget forecast or not. Mayor Boro asked if Mr. Reed was suggesting that if the City was going to install the Network, we should be very sure we have the components to drive it? Mr. Reed stated that was correct, noting some of the older PC's simply would not function in a "Windows" environment, and they would not be worth upgrading in an attempt to make them function. Councilmember Heller asked if Ms. Golt had stated the City was going to look for someone to hire as an Information Systems Manager in this budget year? Ms. Golt stated staff may come before Council with such a recommendation next year, or the year after, but not this year, concentrating instead on revisions to the contract with BRC, so that BRC's staff better fills that role for us. SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 4 SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 5 Councilmember Phillips stated he was unclear why staff had changed their recommendation concerning Wise Consulting Services' assistance in renegotiating the BRC contract? Ms. Golt stated that recommendation had been changed because staff believes they are making some serious in -roads on some of the issues we were going to be negotiating on, and some of these issues have just fallen into place, such as the negotiating of the ownership of the equipment, and in terms of the E-mail and Networking. She noted there now seems to be an opportunity offered by BRC to achieve those things, which everyone seems to concur are two very key elements. Ms. Golt stated the City could consider using Wise Consulting Services to negotiate how we might re-form what Ms. Yeates does, for example, but Ms. Golt stated she did not know the City had a need to do that, nor that the City needs the outside support we would get from Wise Consulting Services. Ms. Golt stated she would like to reserve the option of calling upon Mr. Reed in the future, if the City continues with BRC, or whoever we might be engaged in a contract with. She noted Mr. Reed is an expert, he knows the City's system, and is familiar with the study, and that at some point in the future the City would probably turn to Wise Consulting Services again. Councilmember Cohen asked for clarification regarding the proposal for LAN (Local Area Network), stating he had been particularly struck by Mr. Reed's comment that if the City were going to sole source anything with BRC, it should be the LAN. He asked if Mr. Reed had been referring to a system such as Novell, a commercially available networking software that was going to link the departments? Mr. Reed stated that was correct, noting he was suggesting very middle-of-the-road networking type devices and software. Mr. Reed stated the reason Wise Consulting Services was leaning toward having BRC do this was because they were already managing the rest of the City' s hardware, and rather than bring in a third party to install the Network and be faced with the "finger pointing" kind of problems that are invariably encountered, such as a new vendor who cannot access the Aviion Data Bases, and then having BRC saying, "Its not our problem, it worked fine before", and the new vendor saying, "BRC is not doing something right over there"; therefore, Mr. Reed stated they felt it would eliminate a lot of finger pointing if the City just had a single vendor and made it part of the negotiations with BRC, stating BRC definitely has the technical capability to design an appropriate Local Area Networking environment, as long as they stick to the proven tools and software currently on the market. Mr. Reed stated he did not think this would be a high risk kind of thing, and making it part of the whole negotiations would seem to be in everyone's best interest. Councilmember Cohen referred to the Data General UNIX systems, and asked if they were continuing to move in that direction in terms of software development? Bruce Manson, with BRC, stated they do not actually do much software development right now, stating that when he originally met with Mr. Reed several months ago, BRC was still involved in a number of software development projects; however, they are not doing very many of those anymore and, therefore, the "downstream view" Mr. Reed built as a scenario, whereby BRC might bid on the software, is not something they would really do today, as they are more involved in Facilities Management business at this time. Mr. Manson stated all of the systems work they do is aimed toward UNIX and, in some cases, toward Client Server; however they are trying to get all of their staff on board with various flavors of UNIX, so they can support most of the popular platforms and software currently on the market. Mayor Boro stated Ms. Golt had alluded to the fact that there had been some discussion of installing the LAN, the role of Ms. Yeates, and the hardware situation, and he asked Mr. Manson to comment from his point of view. Referring to the hardware, Mr. Manson stated he felt it was unfortunately ambiguous in the existing contract as to who would own the hardware at the end of the contract. He noted the hardware would be of no use to BRC at the end of the contract, although it would have value to the City, as the City could continue to run its applications on it. Therefore, as BRC has no use for the hardware, he stated the City may certainly have it. Mr. Manson stated that when BRC wants to buy equipment for a City, if they do not own it they cannot depreciate it, noting they then have to expense it all within that immediate year, causing them to take a big loss, which deadens their ability to work financially with the City. He stated this is why they end up owning certain things and depreciating them over a period of five years. Referring to Ms. Yeates, Mr. Manson reported she has a tremendous amount of loyalty to the City of San Rafael, noting she has done a very good job for the City and has been very well accepted. He stated he would welcome the opportunity for Ms. Yeates to take on a broader role, noting he felt she would do that very SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 5 SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 6 conscientiously and do it well; therefore, he felt this could be very easily accomplished. Mr. Manson stated that in discussing the Network proposal, part of what they had considered doing, in brief and conceptually, was to actually put the money up -front to build these, and to help do that as part of the contract. He stated that in essence, for approximately $100,000 to $125,000 they could put it in up -front, and then there would be a dollar for dollar payback, without interest or any special charges, for the life of the contract. Mr. Manson noted BRC management has already given approval for this. He stated this money would be for expanding the current networks and building LANs, providing E-mail to all the desk tops, major hardware cabling and software, servers, bridges, routers and hubs. He noted there would also be some training involved, a City-wide E-mail package that would have to be purchased with the requisite number of licenses, and their maintenance over time. Mr. Manson stated BRC had already done a preliminary cut, both with the cabling vendor used by the City, as well as several of BRC 's network people in the area, and their initial cut was approximately $108,000 without taxes and freight; therefore, $125,000 is a reasonable number to apply. Mr. Manson clarified that when he stated there was preliminary approval from BRC, a proposal would have to be taken to BRC's Network Design Group in Dallas, and they would want to review it. Mr. Reed asked if BRC uses local contractors at all in their work, and Mr. Manson stated they use local cabling vendors, and there are times they pick-up a local contractor if there is some special piece of software they are bringing in; however, as far as Network design and installation, and Novelle and other popular packages such as that, BRC has spent a lot of money training people to be proficient in those, and they typically keep a lot of that work in-house, noting this would help reduce the overall cost. Mr. Manson stated, fundamentally, this is a no margin deal, so if they spend a dollar, you see that dollar, and it is part of the $125,000, noting BRC does not make any money on that. Mr. Reed asked if the $125,000 was for Items #1 and #2, which Wise Consulting Services had estimated at $130,000, and if BRC would purchase and expend the $125,000, but not charge the City in year one and would, in fact, finance it for the City? Mr. Manson stated that was correct, in essence, noting BRC would not start charging the City until January, so the City's impact in the current fiscal year would be muted, in half. Mr. Reed asked if he was correct that when Mr. Manson was talking about less than $100, 000, or less than $125,000, he was not counting this $125,000, he is only counting what BRC might pay in year one, and that BRC was not even going to charge the City in year one? Ms. Golt stated that was not correct, and noting this was something they had not finished negotiating at this time. She reported the $125,000 would be spread -out over a five year period, totalling $125,000 and representing approximately $25,000 per year. She stated if the City spread the costs, as Mr. Reed has estimated them, over a five year period, it would be $190,000. Therefore, she stated it seemed the end result with BRC would be a pretty significant savings. Mr. Reed asked if there were additional first year costs, and Ms. Golt stated she had not been informed of any. Mr. Manson stated BRC looked at the highest value item, and what BRC could provide to the City as a "leg up" in getting toward that highest value item, noting Items #1 and #2 seemed like the best place to start for highest value. He noted when they look at E-mail and see its impact on other cities, the amount of work productivity that goes up is very substantial, and he stated this was a good payback item. Library Director Vaughn Stratford asked Mr. Manson if their network design took into account Internet access using E-mail versus standard mail transportation? Mr. Manson stated they had not looked at the Network as having an Internet connection, noting the City's Internet access was currently being formulated up to the County. He stated people would have individual access, but Web pages would be through the County. Mr. Stratford stated the City had talked about a PC server connected to the County's MIDAS System, and he asked if the work stations would be configured to connect to an Internet server and allow E-mail to come to us? Mr. Manson stated the software Ms. Yeates was considering would provide that bridge. Ms. Yeates acknowledged there was a firewall problem, explaining the firewall was a way to restrict access, and to allow in only those who you want in, noting it was the same as a lock on your front door. Ms. Yeates stated they have only had a very preliminary meeting, and she was not prepared to address the subject at this level of detail. Ms. Yeates reported they have discussed the firewall, they know it is an issue, and they have looked at ways to solve it; however, she noted they have only had a very preliminary meeting, and she was not prepared to address the subject at this level of detail. SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 6 SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 7 Chief Marcucci stated he felt one point was being missed, noting the reason he and Ms. Golt met with BRC was to discuss this proposal, and look at the City' s budget and determine how the City could afford this. He noted the City has been looking at ways in which we could be innovative and also save money, and in looking at the budget and what could be done with Data Processing, it seemed that Data Processing was on the losing end. Chief Marcucci stated they felt they needed to do something that would meet the needs of the City and the department managers, and met with BRC to discuss ways in which the City could be innovative and find other ways of doing business. He stated they were attempting to have BRC front the money, and then have the City pay a pro rata share each year, which would allow flexibility in the budget process. Mr. Reed stated Project #15, the Internet Access, was the project that specifically provided for the firewall and a server that would serve the Internet, noting discussions indicated this would be closely aligned with the Library's operations, and they would probably be the City's operator of the Internet host. Mr. Stratford stated he did not believe this would be the case, noting a report would be submitted in May that would address that issue. Mr. Stuckey noted there had been discussion of expanding Ms. Yeates role, reporting BOC specifically discussed this, and had been in favor of that expanded role. However, he noted the Committee would be more comfortable if we kept Wise Consulting Services in some way, advising on the negotiations, not necessarily sitting in on the basic contract, but to have a review by an outside party who was familiar with the City, and was also a Data Processing professional who could give us some insight into what is going on. Mr. Stuckey noted the first recommendation on Ms. Golt' s list, the Information Systems Master Plan, was a general overview of the entire issue. He stated we need some kind of solid, consistent plan that the City, in a unified way, is looking at dealing with. He noted the current plan was quite comprehensive, but basically states that if we did everything listed in the plan right now, and we did it for the next ten years, we would only have one-third of the system that most large corporations have, and we would still be five years behind. He stated the City should be working with this plan, going with it and updating it annually or monthly, as things change, noting at least this would give us a consistent basis to go forward. Mayor Boro stated he has had some problems with this report, mainly because it was increasing the cost of Data Processing over this time frame by 50%, and was not certain of the value of that, and of the necessity for doing all of the things contained in the report, particularly taking over the operation, noting he has a big concern about that. He stated we are going into a holding pattern, to one extent, if we follow Ms. Golt's direction at this point; however, we are also attempting to go after the two big issues staff feels they need to make themselves more productive in the immediate timeframe, so this we are accomplishing. Referring to the issue of long term planning and whether or not we should bring someone in-house, Mayor Boro stated the City would have a new City Manager in a few months, and this issue would be one of the first things he would want to charge that person with, because it is a long term commitment. He stated that at this stage, especially since we were not talking about adding an in-house person until the tenth or eleventh month of next year, to postpone that decision for two months does not mean that we are forgetting about it, it just means that we are not going to do it this fiscal year. Mayor Boro stated he valued what was in the plan, but he does have some concern about the increase in the money and what we are going to get for it. He acknowledged what was being said about where the City will be in relation to the "real world", and he liked what Ms. Golt and Chief Marcucci had come up with in meeting with BRC, noting it sounded as though it made sense in the short term; however, he felt we still needed to address the long term, and it was his understanding the Council was being asked to accept this plan, and then review it as we get into the next year. Mr. Stuckey stated it would be worth it to accept it, although he did not agree with all the dollars. He acknowledged the City did not have the money to do everything right now, but noted it was a ten year project. He stated we should just ignore the dollars and look at the concept. Mr. Manson stated he agreed, noting when they looked at Items #1 and #2 and thought about being able to put up $125,000 for next year, they thought this might give the City a little breathing room to begin to gather the finances to do some additional items, as well. SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 7 SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 8 Mr. Reed stated Mayor Boro was correct in suggesting the plan, if implemented, would increase information system costs by 50%, noting it was currently stated as $400,000 per year, but he felt there was probably an additional $100,000 per year in hidden costs, for a total of $500,000 per year. He stated we were not going to get a full-blown solution for all City departments for less than another $400,000, noting we are looking at doing a lot of things in the plan that are not being done today. Councilmember Cohen stated Mr. Reed was addressing the heart of the matter, noting this had originally come up through BRC in terms of looking at what the city is doing with Data Processing, and whether we were getting the most bang for our buck. He stated that in order for the Council to make a reasonably intelligent decision about this, the department heads and City staff are going to have to identify for the Council where this is going to result in savings and increased efficiency in department operations, or how it is going to result in an increase in the service level to the citizens of this community, noting the Council would then have to decide what the City wants to pay for that increase in service level. Mr. Cohen stated he felt it was a little optimistic to try to plan for the next ten years for Data Processing, noting any plan developed ten years ago would not have been able to tell how much would be happening with computers today. Mr. Cohen suggested the BOC might also go back and look at what the City was trying to achieve in doing this, noting it might be money well spent to have a system that addresses the needs of all the departments in the City, but right now, while he might agree it would be nice, he was not sure he could state why the City needs to have every single employee who has a computer have an E-mail address accessible from the outside. Mr. Stuckey stated that what this will do is change the way the City operates, noting it will be very hard to pinpoint the exact benefit back, and put an exact dollar on it. Mr. Stuckey referred to earlier discussions concerning the management of the system, and noted the hottest thing right now is not necessarily site management, but the concept of temporary executives. He stated there were a number of highly qualified people within the City of San Rafael who rent themselves out, in effect, as Chief Financial Officers, and also as Senior Information Managers. Mr. Stuckey felt this was something that should be thrown into the hopper, perhaps as a service the City offers, and as a part-time thing where highly qualified people come in and we do not have a permanent City employee, rather we have someone who is consulting for us, who gives us a sounding board. He noted this was almost always less expensive that a full-time employee. Councilmember Phillips noted they had already spoken, to some degree, about privatization, and this seems to be running counter to that; therefore he stated he was trying to reconcile those two apparently conflicting positions. Mr. Stuckey stated this had been discussed by the Budget Oversight Committee, and reported their thinking on outsourcing and privatization was that privatization could work in a lot of different areas; however, it must be remembered that you privatize a function, not the management of it. He stated it had always been their thinking that what the City needs, and does not have right now, is its own management of its own Data Processing. He noted right now the City outsources everything, including management. He stated there was an internal staff that tries to keep track of it, but there are no Data Processing professionals on that staff, and all the people involved are already over committed within their individual departments. He stated there was a big void in the overall management of the City's Data Processing, and the thing they were most concerned about was that the Committee feels the City needs that management. Mr. Wise stated we have addressed privatization issues, and the final issue comes down to the question of whether we need three people to support Data Processing, as this becomes an economic issue from their perspective. He noted Wise Consulting had stated at the outset that BRC was entitled to make a profit on the staff they provide the City. He stated there were certainly issues as to whether or not the City could attract the same quality staff, and retain that staff; but assuming the City could, as other cities have, Wise Consulting believes the City could hire them for less money. Therefore, he stated he did not know where the issue of privatization comes in, noting that if they are planning and managing a program, and using third parties to provide the hardware application systems and other support services, then they really are farming out a good deal of the operation. Mr. Mason stated BRC had found they actually run a little cheaper than if the City had its own in-house staff, noting they SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 8 SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 9 have demonstrated this in the past, and he felt it would be worthwhile to demonstrate that to the City as we pass through the contractual phase, so people are comfortable with it. He noted that if they are not, then they need to fix that. Mayor Boro stated he felt the concept of managing the system with someone who works for the City, and oversees it from the City, made sense. He noted he had problems with some of the other issues, pointing out that managing it is one thing, but then you have to consider where you get the best "bang for the buck", noting that was what he was not certain of. Mayor Boro stated he would feel very good if we were able, this first year, to bring these two items we are discussing online. He pointed out to Acting City Manager Golt that we also needed the hardware, asking her to consider this, as there was no sense in bringing the LAN in here if we cannot run it. The Council agreed, in concept, to accept the report, to ask staff to negotiate with BRC to discuss bringing in the LAN and E-mail, with some participation from Mr. Reed in overseeing that process. There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 8:45 PM. JEANNE M. LEONCINI, City Clerk APPROVED THIS DAY OF , 1995 MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SAN RAFAEL SRCC MINUTES (Special Workshop) 4/30/96 Page 9